I would like to comment on the posts of Lady and John, if I may.
I sense a problem in imagining things that once were and what is the reality today.
21 st century people are so far removed from the earth and having the ability to sustain ourselves . The Amish are looked upon as 'backwards' , yet a 12 year old boy knows more about the qualities of each piece of wood and the proper feasibility to use it in building, to achieve the most favorable
strength, flexibility, support and wear in each designed project. A teenage girl knows every aspect of soil preparation, seed generation, animal care, food preparation, clothes and household good manufacturing than most 50 year old 'English' men and women.
I believe I can safely say.... You would never find any millionaires clamoring to be a part of that society. It would seem revolting to them to be part of something where they have to 'serve' others, rather than to be served.
It is my understanding in the Indian culture, the 'Chief' was not like Hollywood portrayed him.... as the 'head' of the band of the camp.
He was more of an arbitrator to bring different ones together to solve an issue or address a problem. No Indian was forced or designated
to do anything he or she did not want to. If they did something that was inappropriate to the 'band', they were 'shunned ' much like the Amish do. But could come back if they redeemed themselves.
So what I'm getting at is ... Without a society based on money, hierarchy or class where there always has to be loser, a have-not or someone to look down upon for those who need to be served to feel good about themselves..... It becomes so hard to imagine
that people were behaving in a good and honest manner other than what you see today where people.....after generations of being looked down upon and abused are behaving poorly.
The Nazis achieved control over people thru constant fear and chaos to the point where father and sons were killing each other over a piece of bread.. Jesus foretold that at the end of time... All people would become Bad..
I personally believe that was misrepresented
to mean the Bad would become Worst. Which is happening today.
That is why I believe we must physically separate ourselves from the Have's in order to find Peace in this World.
u make good points about the wording of demands & the traps such ambiguity brings.
the problem i see is the systems created. by "democracy" commonly known as mob rule, group think & judgemental comparative ignorance. the systems this society & country were built on are simply systems of belief that have been taught & are engrained, accepted as so without real thought.
even your writings & solutions support the systems which you propose to make fair, more egalitarian. replacing one dictatorship with another is no real change. demanding another recognize, acknowledge, acquiesce, grant, honor, appease, award is still subservient, is still supremacy, is still control which can be snatched away and giving away our power.
control is only achieved by cooperation. "rightly", "wrongly", "admirably". "freeloaders" are all judgements built on comparable ignorance. if we stop cooperating with the fiat, fake, "money" system we have been taught to believe in which feeds the imaginary financial system which we allow to think it owns all there is, including you, me, the air we breathe, the ground we stand on, the water, every fkn thing and graciously supply us with what they choose to grant us access to...til it is decided we are useless...we have a chance at building, supporting & standing together with the workers already building the alternatives. fighting or trying to change failed broken system feeds the system, strengthens it, empowers it, entrenches it further and impedes the acquisition of new.
think about how much time is wasted trying to salvage a leaky pipe. weld, patch when you just gotta spend and get a new piece of pipe. think about how much waste & destruction is caused becoz proper, timely sanitation & disinfection of food processing plants isnt performed routinely resulting in needless consumers death & illness. then the 75 million dollar pricetag for decontamination is deemed too high so the plant is closed & the food processing is sent overseas then brought back, dispursed.
workers knew. many dont now. they arent taught what was known, what people died for. desperate to maintain status quo, lied to, left begging for jobs, any jobs, left in lack, hunger, housing, pain, blaming...that is not living. to think it is or must be or even fought against...is mind fuckery. belief. fiction.
I would like to comment on the posts of Lady and John, if I may.
I sense a problem in imagining things that once were and what is the reality today.
21 st century people are so far removed from the earth and having the ability to sustain ourselves . The Amish are looked upon as 'backwards' , yet a 12 year old boy knows more about the qualities of each piece of wood and the proper feasibility to use it in building, to achieve the most favorable
strength, flexibility, support and wear in each designed project. A teenage girl knows every aspect of soil preparation, seed generation, animal care, food preparation, clothes and household good manufacturing than most 50 year old 'English' men and women.
I believe I can safely say.... You would never find any millionaires clamoring to be a part of that society. It would seem revolting to them to be part of something where they have to 'serve' others, rather than to be served.
It is my understanding in the Indian culture, the 'Chief' was not like Hollywood portrayed him.... as the 'head' of the band of the camp.
He was more of an arbitrator to bring different ones together to solve an issue or address a problem. No Indian was forced or designated
to do anything he or she did not want to. If they did something that was inappropriate to the 'band', they were 'shunned ' much like the Amish do. But could come back if they redeemed themselves.
So what I'm getting at is ... Without a society based on money, hierarchy or class where there always has to be loser, a have-not or someone to look down upon for those who need to be served to feel good about themselves..... It becomes so hard to imagine
that people were behaving in a good and honest manner other than what you see today where people.....after generations of being looked down upon and abused are behaving poorly.
The Nazis achieved control over people thru constant fear and chaos to the point where father and sons were killing each other over a piece of bread.. Jesus foretold that at the end of time... All people would become Bad..
I personally believe that was misrepresented
to mean the Bad would become Worst. Which is happening today.
That is why I believe we must physically separate ourselves from the Have's in order to find Peace in this World.
Just saying.....
u make good points about the wording of demands & the traps such ambiguity brings.
the problem i see is the systems created. by "democracy" commonly known as mob rule, group think & judgemental comparative ignorance. the systems this society & country were built on are simply systems of belief that have been taught & are engrained, accepted as so without real thought.
even your writings & solutions support the systems which you propose to make fair, more egalitarian. replacing one dictatorship with another is no real change. demanding another recognize, acknowledge, acquiesce, grant, honor, appease, award is still subservient, is still supremacy, is still control which can be snatched away and giving away our power.
control is only achieved by cooperation. "rightly", "wrongly", "admirably". "freeloaders" are all judgements built on comparable ignorance. if we stop cooperating with the fiat, fake, "money" system we have been taught to believe in which feeds the imaginary financial system which we allow to think it owns all there is, including you, me, the air we breathe, the ground we stand on, the water, every fkn thing and graciously supply us with what they choose to grant us access to...til it is decided we are useless...we have a chance at building, supporting & standing together with the workers already building the alternatives. fighting or trying to change failed broken system feeds the system, strengthens it, empowers it, entrenches it further and impedes the acquisition of new.
think about how much time is wasted trying to salvage a leaky pipe. weld, patch when you just gotta spend and get a new piece of pipe. think about how much waste & destruction is caused becoz proper, timely sanitation & disinfection of food processing plants isnt performed routinely resulting in needless consumers death & illness. then the 75 million dollar pricetag for decontamination is deemed too high so the plant is closed & the food processing is sent overseas then brought back, dispursed.
workers knew. many dont now. they arent taught what was known, what people died for. desperate to maintain status quo, lied to, left begging for jobs, any jobs, left in lack, hunger, housing, pain, blaming...that is not living. to think it is or must be or even fought against...is mind fuckery. belief. fiction.