I agree that worker exploitation is always a part of the capitalist system wherever it goes, which is true of the US, UK Israel, its all the same. But I think the primary mission of Israel is the western invasion and subjugation of the middle-east to take control of the resources, the labor and materials.
Howard, have you ever persuaded a passionately pro-Israel Jew (who is a decent person otherwise) to do a 180 and become an anti-Zionist by explaining to them that "the primary mission of Israel is the western invasion and subjugation of the middle-east to take control of the resources, the labor and materials"? I strongly doubt it.
In contrast, I have persuaded passionately pro-Israel Jews to do a 180 and become anti-Zionist by explaining that the Zionist leaders of Israel attack, not defend, Israeli Jewish working class people and have attacked ordinary Jews ever since the Holocaust.
In light of this, and given that our #1 aim regarding Israel should be to persuade the great majority of the American public to oppose Zionism by understanding that it has never been about protecting ordinary Jews from antisemites, which fact about Israel is the most important one for us to talk about? Please tell me.
I agree that your approach is a more effective way to organize Jews against the Zionist leaders who will kill Jews, and have, to advance the Zionist and British elite's agenda.
Howard, please also note that my approach is not only a more effective way to organize specifically Jews against Zionism; it is a more effective way to organize ALL people (who support Israel because they think it is antisemitic not to do so) to oppose Zionism, and this is the vast majority of people in the United States.
I agree with you Howard, that Israel is a battleship of the Western banking cartels / plutocratic predator class. But I notice John deflects this point without dismissing it, and likes to point to the deep sociology of the plutocrats' innate inclination to dominate the lower classes, and frames Israel as a project of "Israeli" billionaires wanting their own working classes to dominate for the purpose of being in control and driving out the Palestinians. But in the end, or the beginning, Israel was born of the dreams of European jewish zionists that I accept were advancing the ambitions of the Anglo/ American western power elite. The Jewish people, and the idea that Israel would provide safe haven, in the end, is a cruel hoax. Israel has become all its own scripture condemns.
Facts-- are so very necessary.....for understanding reality.
I agree that worker exploitation is always a part of the capitalist system wherever it goes, which is true of the US, UK Israel, its all the same. But I think the primary mission of Israel is the western invasion and subjugation of the middle-east to take control of the resources, the labor and materials.
Howard, have you ever persuaded a passionately pro-Israel Jew (who is a decent person otherwise) to do a 180 and become an anti-Zionist by explaining to them that "the primary mission of Israel is the western invasion and subjugation of the middle-east to take control of the resources, the labor and materials"? I strongly doubt it.
In contrast, I have persuaded passionately pro-Israel Jews to do a 180 and become anti-Zionist by explaining that the Zionist leaders of Israel attack, not defend, Israeli Jewish working class people and have attacked ordinary Jews ever since the Holocaust.
In light of this, and given that our #1 aim regarding Israel should be to persuade the great majority of the American public to oppose Zionism by understanding that it has never been about protecting ordinary Jews from antisemites, which fact about Israel is the most important one for us to talk about? Please tell me.
I agree that your approach is a more effective way to organize Jews against the Zionist leaders who will kill Jews, and have, to advance the Zionist and British elite's agenda.
Howard, please also note that my approach is not only a more effective way to organize specifically Jews against Zionism; it is a more effective way to organize ALL people (who support Israel because they think it is antisemitic not to do so) to oppose Zionism, and this is the vast majority of people in the United States.
Got it.
I agree with you Howard, that Israel is a battleship of the Western banking cartels / plutocratic predator class. But I notice John deflects this point without dismissing it, and likes to point to the deep sociology of the plutocrats' innate inclination to dominate the lower classes, and frames Israel as a project of "Israeli" billionaires wanting their own working classes to dominate for the purpose of being in control and driving out the Palestinians. But in the end, or the beginning, Israel was born of the dreams of European jewish zionists that I accept were advancing the ambitions of the Anglo/ American western power elite. The Jewish people, and the idea that Israel would provide safe haven, in the end, is a cruel hoax. Israel has become all its own scripture condemns.
It is also a British backed initiative as well, such as the Balfore Declaration and even before.